Brazen, brazen is the Pope. Who would have seen it coming? The CIA…the Mossad…Canterbury? This was the Pope who riled the Muslims and now he is doing it to the Anglicans.
Is the Roman Catholic Church trying to steal distressed Anglican sheep or to create a legitimate path for future Roman married priests?
The offer of the Romans to Anglican dioceses unhappy with Canterbury is unprecedented and brash and opportunistic. It will set back the attempted decades long Roman-Anglican reconciliation process backward. It will force the worldwide Anglican communion(about 70 million) into soul-searching mode and even despair, and it may severely damage its unity or even cause its demise.
Read an insider’s view(Bolivian Beat) of the shocking event here: “Roman Church steals Anglican Sheep” and another perspective of the fracas, “The end of the Anglican communion.”
Yes, it’s brazen. This is another self-slapping feat by the Roman church. It is now officially saying that celibacy is not really a requirement to their clergy.
HenryXIII seized Catholic Churches and property to start the COE/Anglican church – guess what the Pope is now doing is just reclaiming some old RC properties and rustled sheep.
Heard previously that God actually said “celebrate” life but the first Pope apparently had a hearing impediment – he heard “celibate” life instead – so the current predicament.
Seems fair, the Anglicans claim the LGBTs from the fringe and the Catholics claim back from the Anglicans.
Hi journeyman,
The ‘celebrate’ and ‘celibate’ joke is just a joke and has nothing much to do with history, though there is still a tiny bit of glimpse.
I don’t think it’s fair. I think it’s nonsense especially when some RCC now called that move as ‘ecumenism’. That’s pathetic and stupid. If some RCC jump to other non-RCC churches, see if they still recognize that as ‘ecumenism’.
Joshua
Real history is often brutal and unsavory. It is often romanticized for the ages by the victor.
It may also be historical hearsay that one was trying to extort whilst the other was trying to get official sanction to fornicate.
Are these the worthy principles for establishing a Church of Christ?
Oh he has been planning this for a looooooooooooooong time… before he became a pope.
I really feel that the Anglicans who convert have NO idea what RC is really about.
As an ex-RC, I am so glad my eye no more stick stamp. =)
Dear Journeyman,
Actually the Anglican Church is not a breakway Roman province. It is a fact however that Henry seized property from the Roman Church. He did not however use this seizure to start a new church.
http://bolivianbeat.blogspot.com/2006/10/so-was-henry-8th-founder-of-anglican.html
Dear BB,
My apologies for using the popular belief as opposed to the historically accurate.
I guess the RCC spinmesiters have done a good job for the past 600-700 years.
Does the Anglican communion still feel the need a “fig leaf” for a 700 year old event – thought the inclusion of LBGT is very timely as who is in now in Church without Sin.
What type of Sin is greater that will turn God from his people?
Again, my apologies if your emotional “sensitivities” have been re-surfaced.
It is a heavy burden to collectively carry one man’s shameful act for 700 years.
The “Truth” will set us free??
How to have your cake and eat it
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Now those Roman Catholics who want to become a priest but yet do not want the accompanying “priviledge” of celibacy have a path open to them: first join the Anglican Church, get married and be ordained as a Anglican priest, and then enter back the Roman Catholic Church via the side-door/back-door…….. LOL
Dear BB,
Just a another perspective from recorded history…………
“The Act of Supremacy November 1534 (26 Hen. 8, c. 1) was an Act of the Parliament of England under King Henry VIII declaring that he was ‘the only supreme head on earth of the Church in England’ and that the English crown shall enjoy “all honours, dignities, preeminences, jurisdictions, privileges, authorities, immunities, profits, and commodities to the said dignity.”[1]….
Did he seize to start or was the action reversed?
What will the RCC accept?
Same or opposite sex marriage/union or either?
Dear Journeyman,
On an emotional level it does not bother me when folk insist that the Anglican Church began as a result of a divorce or because Henry proclaimed himself head of the church or whatever. I certainly dont see myself as an apologist for my church. We are not a perfect church and have never pretended to be one. The church in its historical development is a mix of both “bride” (Eph 5) and “whore” (Rev 18).
The evidence of the English church as being a Roman province in the 16th century however is sketchy; its hard to therefore fall in line with the Roman understanding of the Anglican Church as a breakway Roman province which needs to return to Rome.
Henry 8th was a cunning politician. There is no evidence of him being a champion for the Reformation. He used the Reformation for his own political ends. But did he start the Anglican Church? Thats like asking if LKY was the founding father of Singapore. The man certainly turned a page in our overall history but I would not grant him the title of founding father (Singapore was not a swamp with flies and mosquitoes. It was a thriving straits settlement). I suppose Henry, not unlike LKY in Singapore, turned a page or set a new direction for the English Church. But Henry was certainly not the founder of the English Church and neither is LKY founder of Singapore.
at the end of the day..who cares lah..who founded what!!!!!!!!
Great conclusion – WYSIWYG.
Who cares about who wants to join what or how they want to express their sexuality.
We can ultimately be only responsible for things we have control over – hopefully it will be our personal conduct.
The freedom of choice is REAL and should be respected by all, especially if it does not impact them. We should err on tolerance.
God has a great sense of humour – imagine pedophiles telling fornicators that their form of worhip is not acceptable by God!
From what I read a year ago the celibacy thingy belonged to a category which allows for future change. They don’t really need the Anglicans to join them to allow for a married priesthood,though it would certainly ease the transition to that.