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	<title>Comments on: Pastor Rony Tan: what if he were Richard Dawkins?</title>
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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
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		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 24 Feb 2010 05:28:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Buddhists will make police reports.

The Muslims will call for his beheading.

The Christians? I think they will take it lying down.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Buddhists will make police reports.</p>
<p>The Muslims will call for his beheading.</p>
<p>The Christians? I think they will take it lying down.</p>
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		<title>By: journeyman</title>
		<link>http://www.blogpastor.net/2010/02/pastor-rony-tan-what-if-he-were-richard-dawkins/comment-page-1/#comment-1551</link>
		<dc:creator>journeyman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 09:06:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Hi eterna2

We seek out altruistic people to work with. One such group is:
http://www.riverkidsproject.org/
They wear their heart on their sleeves and are utterly transparent in their dealing.

Another is on the Thai-Myanmar border too busy trying to save as many as possible with their very limited resources. They live very similar to their charges in the new &quot;temporary shanty town,&quot; with imperceptive different shack and dress like their charges - sarong and T-shirt.

They render help without any precondition nor do they impose their religious beliefs. They only discuss after being badgered to do so by their charges. 

They are just a silent beacon of light and hope in a sea of darkness and despair. 

They did not seek our help or assistance but their hospitality was tremendous and gracious. 

Like these partners, we do our due diligence on site and also try to be silent and quiet when we extend our help.

Religious conversion is not a kpi for our partners or us, delivery of hope and help is.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi eterna2</p>
<p>We seek out altruistic people to work with. One such group is:<br />
<a href="http://www.riverkidsproject.org/" rel="nofollow">http://www.riverkidsproject.org/</a><br />
They wear their heart on their sleeves and are utterly transparent in their dealing.</p>
<p>Another is on the Thai-Myanmar border too busy trying to save as many as possible with their very limited resources. They live very similar to their charges in the new &#8220;temporary shanty town,&#8221; with imperceptive different shack and dress like their charges &#8211; sarong and T-shirt.</p>
<p>They render help without any precondition nor do they impose their religious beliefs. They only discuss after being badgered to do so by their charges. </p>
<p>They are just a silent beacon of light and hope in a sea of darkness and despair. </p>
<p>They did not seek our help or assistance but their hospitality was tremendous and gracious. </p>
<p>Like these partners, we do our due diligence on site and also try to be silent and quiet when we extend our help.</p>
<p>Religious conversion is not a kpi for our partners or us, delivery of hope and help is.</p>
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		<title>By: Gwee Li Sui</title>
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		<dc:creator>Gwee Li Sui</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 08:52:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree completely with Rex, and I, too, have been thinking much about Jesus&#039;s interaction with the Samaritan woman. In fact, Jesus&#039;s esteem for the Samaritans is quite interesting. When his disciples wanted to call down fire and brimstone on a Samaritan village for rejecting him, Jesus rebuked his disciples for even having the thought.

If we set Jesus&#039;s example against the history of Christian missionary work, there&#039;s a lot not to be proud about. I hope that we are at least learning.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree completely with Rex, and I, too, have been thinking much about Jesus&#8217;s interaction with the Samaritan woman. In fact, Jesus&#8217;s esteem for the Samaritans is quite interesting. When his disciples wanted to call down fire and brimstone on a Samaritan village for rejecting him, Jesus rebuked his disciples for even having the thought.</p>
<p>If we set Jesus&#8217;s example against the history of Christian missionary work, there&#8217;s a lot not to be proud about. I hope that we are at least learning.</p>
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		<title>By: Rex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 08:34:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Contact with other cultures will lead to some kind of friction no matter what. The line comes prehaps in what where we start to infringe on their ability to choose and decide.

Ultimately the free will of the individual must be preserved, I believe that it is God&#039;s intention for the intelligent life He created to self-determinate.

That can be tough if you are contacting a culture a lot pooer then you. Your attempts to help can be construed as manipulation. 

My take? If you want to reach out to a culture you need to UNDERSTAND their ways first before presenting yours. That is only fair. A good note to take would be from Jesus himself and how he interacted with the woman at the well who quite obviously, had different ideas then him.

Unfortunately the Christian creed is not exactly one that allows its adherence to leave the world alone... if you believe that souls are in inherent danger, inaction would be immoral and wrong. HOWEVER, that does not justify acting in ignorant and insensitive ways.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Contact with other cultures will lead to some kind of friction no matter what. The line comes prehaps in what where we start to infringe on their ability to choose and decide.</p>
<p>Ultimately the free will of the individual must be preserved, I believe that it is God&#8217;s intention for the intelligent life He created to self-determinate.</p>
<p>That can be tough if you are contacting a culture a lot pooer then you. Your attempts to help can be construed as manipulation. </p>
<p>My take? If you want to reach out to a culture you need to UNDERSTAND their ways first before presenting yours. That is only fair. A good note to take would be from Jesus himself and how he interacted with the woman at the well who quite obviously, had different ideas then him.</p>
<p>Unfortunately the Christian creed is not exactly one that allows its adherence to leave the world alone&#8230; if you believe that souls are in inherent danger, inaction would be immoral and wrong. HOWEVER, that does not justify acting in ignorant and insensitive ways.</p>
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		<title>By: eterna2</title>
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		<dc:creator>eterna2</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 05:59:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My main issue with evangelism in Christianity is where do you draw the line?

Given an example in the documentary. You have a village that is functioning perfectly fine, primitive perhaps, but perfectly fine. 

Given that you know that the village practice pagan religion and that they are resistance to conversion. Would you still insist on building a school, and conducting bible classes to educate and convert the young ones?

Knowing that it is inevitable that this will eventually lead to friction between the young ones with their parents?

Is spiritual salvation sufficient justification for material disharmony? 

Where do you draw the line?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My main issue with evangelism in Christianity is where do you draw the line?</p>
<p>Given an example in the documentary. You have a village that is functioning perfectly fine, primitive perhaps, but perfectly fine. </p>
<p>Given that you know that the village practice pagan religion and that they are resistance to conversion. Would you still insist on building a school, and conducting bible classes to educate and convert the young ones?</p>
<p>Knowing that it is inevitable that this will eventually lead to friction between the young ones with their parents?</p>
<p>Is spiritual salvation sufficient justification for material disharmony? </p>
<p>Where do you draw the line?</p>
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		<title>By: Rex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 03:32:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well basically if you play hardball with others, don&#039;t cry if they play hardball back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well basically if you play hardball with others, don&#8217;t cry if they play hardball back.</p>
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		<title>By: SP</title>
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		<dc:creator>SP</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 23 Feb 2010 00:56:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Regarding the RT episode(s), it&#039;s not so much as to &#039;what&#039; was being said but rather, &#039;how&#039; it was being said.

It&#039;s Ok to spar....but don&#039;t even hit below the belt!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Regarding the RT episode(s), it&#8217;s not so much as to &#8216;what&#8217; was being said but rather, &#8216;how&#8217; it was being said.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s Ok to spar&#8230;.but don&#8217;t even hit below the belt!</p>
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		<title>By: Rex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 17:05:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Did I find the Da Vinci Code offensive? Not really cos basically once you knew the facts of the matter and that it&#039;s pretty much a rehash of an old conspiracy theory to which there has already been apologetical answers to.

I don&#039;t see the need to like pull up the sedition act to ban stuff just because it seems to be &quot;threatening&quot;. That is a sign of insecurity.

If one believes that what his beliefs are the truth, one should not be afraid to bring them out to the world so that they will be tested against reality. If they are true they will hold.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Did I find the Da Vinci Code offensive? Not really cos basically once you knew the facts of the matter and that it&#8217;s pretty much a rehash of an old conspiracy theory to which there has already been apologetical answers to.</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t see the need to like pull up the sedition act to ban stuff just because it seems to be &#8220;threatening&#8221;. That is a sign of insecurity.</p>
<p>If one believes that what his beliefs are the truth, one should not be afraid to bring them out to the world so that they will be tested against reality. If they are true they will hold.</p>
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		<title>By: Rex</title>
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		<dc:creator>Rex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 17:02:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, I am Christian, and the problem with Rony Tan is that when he said the things he said, he was basically showing others that he had very little understanding of the subject matter, made worse by the presentation.

Nobody said you could nor critique their beliefs or worldview, but you jolly well know what you are talking about before you speak. It&#039;s one thing to say idols are worthless, but you owe the person who believes in them a reason as to why you think they are worthless, and be willing to discuss on a fair and level ground.

That&#039;s the problem I do feel that infects a lot of us Christians today? We want others to listen to us on OUR terms, but we are less willing to listen to others on more level ground. 

People like C.S. Lewis or G.K. Chesterton had their convictions, they spoke their mind on what they felt on other creeds... but at no one point were were ever dismissive or ignorant of the claims of the creeds they critiqued.

I wonder if anti-intellectualism is one of the issues facing Christianity in Singapore... as in we&#039;ve forgetten that the Christian ought to love the Lord with his mind as well, and that means cultivating ones mind to be sharp on these matters to properly further His will... nowadays it seems the habit is just to take a general impression from the pulpit and run along carelessly with it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I am Christian, and the problem with Rony Tan is that when he said the things he said, he was basically showing others that he had very little understanding of the subject matter, made worse by the presentation.</p>
<p>Nobody said you could nor critique their beliefs or worldview, but you jolly well know what you are talking about before you speak. It&#8217;s one thing to say idols are worthless, but you owe the person who believes in them a reason as to why you think they are worthless, and be willing to discuss on a fair and level ground.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s the problem I do feel that infects a lot of us Christians today? We want others to listen to us on OUR terms, but we are less willing to listen to others on more level ground. </p>
<p>People like C.S. Lewis or G.K. Chesterton had their convictions, they spoke their mind on what they felt on other creeds&#8230; but at no one point were were ever dismissive or ignorant of the claims of the creeds they critiqued.</p>
<p>I wonder if anti-intellectualism is one of the issues facing Christianity in Singapore&#8230; as in we&#8217;ve forgetten that the Christian ought to love the Lord with his mind as well, and that means cultivating ones mind to be sharp on these matters to properly further His will&#8230; nowadays it seems the habit is just to take a general impression from the pulpit and run along carelessly with it.</p>
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		<title>By: journeyman</title>
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		<dc:creator>journeyman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 22 Feb 2010 14:21:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good documentary - not surprising there are some predators masquerading as sheep. 

Surely this is a not uniquely Christian preserve - happens with missionaries of all the persuasions who have not been well vetted or adequately trained.  

Often these organizations operated by &quot;professionals&quot; - people who are motivated by money and honey not altruism.

How would a chicken ever convince anyone of their authenticity when they quack and waddle like a duck despite their ability to crow extremely well.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good documentary &#8211; not surprising there are some predators masquerading as sheep. </p>
<p>Surely this is a not uniquely Christian preserve &#8211; happens with missionaries of all the persuasions who have not been well vetted or adequately trained.  </p>
<p>Often these organizations operated by &#8220;professionals&#8221; &#8211; people who are motivated by money and honey not altruism.</p>
<p>How would a chicken ever convince anyone of their authenticity when they quack and waddle like a duck despite their ability to crow extremely well.</p>
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