It has clarified many issues that perplexed me previously………interested in perspectives of others on PC’s perspective…..

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He believes our silence on Issues surfaced by City Harvest investigation means we accept and condone such behavior and teachings ……….do you have a position

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6 One day the angels[a] came to present themselves before the Lord, and Satan[b] also came with them. 7 The Lord said to Satan, “Where have you come from?”

Satan answered the Lord, “From roaming throughout the earth, going back and forth on it.”

8 Then the Lord said to Satan, “Have you considered my servant Job? There is no one on earth like him; he is blameless and upright, a man who fears God and shuns evil.”

9 “Does Job fear God for nothing?” Satan replied. 10 “Have you not put a hedge around him and his household and everything he has? You have blessed the work of his hands, so that his flocks and herds are spread throughout the land. 11 But now stretch out your hand and strike everything he has, and he will surely curse you to your face.”

12 The Lord said to Satan, “Very well, then, everything he has is in your power, but on the man himself do not lay a finger.”

Unless my english comprehension is utter hopeless, it was God allowing Satan to “interact” with Job. My simplistic takeaway is that when God withdraws His Grace from even the “most transformed sinful man,” the best he can do is HOPE and pray for deliverance from the “dark attacks (devil or self inflicted).”

My ownsense you seem to be a “religious” doomday’s prepper who seem to have forgotten the gifts and blessings of NOW and TODAY whilst being concerned with a cataclysmic future which may no happen during the lifetime gift. Understand the Bible has asked us not to speculate as nobody knows when and how except “The Father.”- we were also warned that everyday has their own challenges and we sud as believers triumph over these through His Grace and our own feeble initiatives – just that most of us forget about the 90% from God but magnify our own 10%. The Ego is a powerful amplifier.

There is a common misconception among Christians, esp the Pentecostals/Charismatics, that God’s laws in the Old Testament or Moses Law, are made ineffective by the arrival of salvation by Grace thru faith in Jesus Christ.

Jesus stated that He did not come to destroy the Law, but to fulfill the Law. The Law was fulfilled when law-abiding Jews also believed in Jesus for their salvation, ie born-again by WATER and the SPIRIT.
…….The water symbolized the cleansing action of the Law(ie curb the inborn tendency for evil-hearted humans to commit sins/evil-deeds).
….The Spirit symbolized the blood of Jesus on the Cross. LEV.17:11 implies that the Spirit/Life of God is in the blood of Jesus bc the life of an animal is in its blood. An animal dies or has no life when it loses all its blood or when the flow of its blood stops and its blood begins to decay.

Hence, the laws/Word of God in the OT still apply to Christians and Jews. Some exemptions from Moses Law were given to the Gentile Christians, so as not to over-burden their former lawless Gentile lives.(ACTS.15:29)
….Eg Gentile Christian adults do not hv to be circumcised bc circumcision would incapacitate them for about a month. They would be in hell-on-earth if they involuntarily had an erection.
….But babies of Gentile Christians should be circumcised bc it is a symbol of the Abrahamic covenant and it reduces sexual lust.

Under Moses Law, unintentional sins/evil-deeds could be atoned(pardoned) by the blood of animal sacrifice, ie the sinner/evil-doer did not hv to suffer for the unintentional sin.
….Intentional sins/evil-deeds could not be atoned, ie the sinner/law-breaker had to suffer the requisite punishment/curse, according to the law of ni4ni, eg Jewish thieves had to pay fines(4X) and murderers or adulterers had to undergo execution.

The Jewish robber who was crucified next to Jesus, believed in Jesus as the Christ/Messiah and Jesus rewarded him with Paradise/heaven. But, under Roman law, he was still crucified for robbery. Under Moses Law, robbers were not executed. In this case, Jesus did not pardon his sin or evil-deed of robbery, ie let him escape the death penalty.

According to many Pentecostals/Charismatics, Jesus/God will atone/pardon/heal every suffering unrepentant thief, robber, adulterer, fornicator, murderer, sinner, law-breaker, evil-doer, etc, even though they had intentionally sinned or broken the law.(cf: HEB.10:26-31, 1COR.5:1-5)
….If this were so, the Christian God will be the laughing-stock of the whole religious world bc He does not punish unrepentant Christian sinners/law-breakers, ie He pardons all of them from suffering punishments. The Christian God would be like an evil father who spoils and pampers his rotten children.
….Imagine a world where unrepentant Christian murderers, rapists, adulterers, homosexuals, thieves, robbers, etc are not punished/cursed just bc they believe in Jesus. It’s as if Jesus had given Christians a license to sin/do-evil.

We know that in ancient monarchies, Kings or Emperors had the power to pardon any convicted criminal. But such pardons were given as exceptions to the rule, ie rarely or uncommon.
….Similarly, God/Jesus, the King of Kings, had pardoned suffering unrepentant Jewish criminals, sinners, law-breakers, evil-doers, etc by healing/delivering them during the ministry of Jesus about 2,000 years ago. They were told to repent of their intentional sins and go and sin no more.(JOHN.8)
….Such healings/deliverances by God/Jesus are not for all times or happen every day, every week, every month, every year,…. Those were exceptional times.

A contributory factor to the existence of so many suffering Jewish sinners/law-breakers/evil-doers was bc the land of Israel was under Roman law and not Moses Law. Under Roman law, adultery, incest, homosexuality, etc were not against the law. Many Jews at that time broke Moses Law and suffered for it.

Bear in mind that repentant Christians who had committed unintentional sins/evil-deeds can be atoned/pardoned thru the blood of Jesus, ie they won’t be punished bc Jesus suffered the punishment for them.
But, if they commit that same sin again, it would become an intentional sin and the blood of Jesus will be of no avail.

Like for the Jews, Christians should also be law-abiding or live their lives guided by Moses Law. This will result in a good, peaceful, contented and long life on earth.(DEUT.28)
….Christians should not live lawlessly, ignorantly commit intentional sins/law-breakings/evil-deeds, get cursed/punished by God or His agents and then desperately seek healing/deliverance everywhere. Prevention is better than cure. Ignorance of the Law is no excuse.
….Healings/deliverances from God/Jesus for curses/punishments caused by intentional sins are rare. At the same time, God may allow Satan to duplicate healings/deliverances, in order to further his deception and demonic doctrines.

Schizophrenia(=split personality) may be a demonic affliction for breaking Moses Law at DEUT.18:9-14, eg by consulting with bomohs/mediums(=prophets of Satan) to put charms/spells/hexes on others.
….Recognizing the sin, repentance and seeking forgiveness thru the blood of Jesus by the sinner/evil-doer may be a right step towards healing/deliverance.

Cancer may be the result of Christians buying optional insurance, esp life and health insurance. Buying insurance is a sin, similar to gambling and buying lottery.
….God and His laws are the best “insurance” in the world and it’s free. Fearing God and obeying His laws will result in a good and long life on earth, in general. There is no need for Christians to buy any optional insurance.
….Sincere and law-abiding Christians who buy optional insurance to compensate for the future possibility of medical calamities or shortened lives are practically saying that God is a liar and His Word/laws are untrue. They are saying that God may curse/punish them, even though they fear Him and abide by His laws/Word. They may hv misinterpreted the story of Job, which many Christians wrongly believe that God was testing Job’s faith by allowing Satan to afflict him.

There are exceptions to every rule/law. There are rare times when Christians hv been commanded by Jesus/God to submit to persecution and/or martyrdom for their faith = calamities and shortened lives. The Apostles underwent this.
….A time is coming soon when Christians will be persecuted and hv to die of starvation for not receiving the Mark-of-the-Beast. Shortly thereafter, the Lord Jesus will return to exact terrible vengeance on the persecutors and unbelievers.(ROM.12:19-20)

Peace.